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Deleted User 7/4/2023 2:13 AM
then i will!! it’ll also probably help me with visualizing thonk
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Leiko is very knowledgeable about meditating and also v good at giving tulpa advice. Perhaps she can help guide you in the right direction about it as well.
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Milk
Leiko is very knowledgeable about meditating and also v good at giving tulpa advice. Perhaps she can help guide you in the right direction about it as well.
Deleted User 7/4/2023 2:16 AM
oh yeah, that’s a good idea!
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Deleted User
any tips on how to become better at proxying for my tulpa?
That seems like you just need to work on vocality. If you have good vocality there should be no reason you are struggling with proxying
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Rusty
That seems like you just need to work on vocality. If you have good vocality there should be no reason you are struggling with proxying
Deleted User 7/4/2023 4:03 AM
OMG IM SO LATE TO THIS…but anyways!! what are some things you used to do to improve vocality?
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Deleted User
OMG IM SO LATE TO THIS…but anyways!! what are some things you used to do to improve vocality?
What stage are you at? How old is the tulpa? How consistent is your current vocality and what are you already doing to improve it?
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Rusty
What stage are you at? How old is the tulpa? How consistent is your current vocality and what are you already doing to improve it?
Deleted User 7/4/2023 4:14 AM
i’d say still in the childhood stage— he can form thoughts and emotions on his own but i can still predict what he is going to say next + i still mistake his thoughts for mine sometimes LOL. i believe he’s about three to four days old. he only really talks if i talk to him first, and he replies every time but they’re usually one or two word answers that i have to interpret myself. lately, i’ve been narrating more, randomly asking him his opinions on certain things, and really trying to get him to dig deeper into his own responses.
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if u see any spelling errors…um no you didn’t Stick_slam bigkek
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Predicting what they are going to say is pretty normal for that age so don’t be discouraged by that. That is always going to happen, but could happen less with age. There isn’t a way I know of to make that happen less other than just time. With being able to tell your thoughts from him, that’s also something that will come with time. Every headmate, including yourself, has a certain feeling to them. A ‘presence’ or ‘vibe’, something you feel when you think about them. This isn’t a headmate specific thing. You can think of anyone or even any place and get a general feeling of it. As your tulpa ages and gets a firmer sense of self their presence will become more easily recognizable and that’s what you will use to tell your thoughts apart. For now you can help them along by assigning thoughts to them. If you have a thought and it’s not harmful and you aren’t really sure where it came from, just assign it to them. That’s their thought now, doesn’t matter if it’s true or not right now. Tulpamancy is very literally fake it until you make it. Having short replies is normal for a tulpa so young. Remember that a tulpa can communicate with you in other ways than just clear words. You can use emotions and raw thought. Raw thought being just the concept of a sentence, you understand the purpose of the sentence but the actual words aren’t there. If you are having a rough time getting responses stick to yes or no answers. You can use a positive or negative emotion for yes or no as well as actual words. It’s not going to get a personality very quickly but it’s going to get them used to responding and you used to recognizing when they speak. This is a very important skill for both of you. Narrating is always good, especially if you don’t have time to just sit down and talk. I personally find it much easier to keep up narration if I’m imaging myself as a vlogger. Remember to pause every once in a while to give them the chance to comment on something.
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4:30 AM
It sounds like you are experiencing what is to be expected from a 3-4 day old tulpa, you are on the right path. You just got to keep speaking to them and learning what it feels like to communicate with a tulpa. Consistency will come with time
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Deleted User 7/4/2023 4:34 AM
thank you for the adviceCat_love Cat_love it’s good to know that im not messing anything up LOLbigkek i’m very excited to see how he will be as the days go on Kanna_rawr Kanna_rawr emoji_14
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It’s pretty hard to ‘mess something up’ with tulpamancy. You can accidentally build up a mentality that makes it harder for you in the future but that can always be reinforced to change. I fucked up pretty severely with my system in many different ways and yet we are still going on and for the most part doing alright.
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4:43 AM
How dare you Yuka, I haven’t given advice in ages let me have my book
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Just surprising is all! It's a bgood book
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Hi! How do you role play with your tulpa? I haven't done role-playing before but when I asked my tulpa told me that she was interested. But I'm not sure how exactly to do it (edited)
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Cri The Cryptid 7/5/2023 12:18 PM
ohhh?
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Zehel X403
Hi! How do you role play with your tulpa? I haven't done role-playing before but when I asked my tulpa told me that she was interested. But I'm not sure how exactly to do it (edited)
Cri The Cryptid 7/5/2023 12:18 PM
i may be able to help you there friend^^
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Cri The Cryptid
i may be able to help you there friend^^
Okay
12:22 PM
So how is it done?
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Cri The Cryptid 7/5/2023 12:22 PM
hmmmm
12:23 PM
Have you roleplayed at all before?
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Nope
12:23 PM
Never
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Cri The Cryptid 7/5/2023 12:28 PM
oof
12:28 PM
ok then
12:28 PM
well thats the first step
12:28 PM
I would invite you to some of my rp servers but they might not be very "family friendly"
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.......
12:29 PM
Are you saying to role play with someone?
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Cri The Cryptid 7/5/2023 12:30 PM
it would be a good start
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How else do you roleplay….?
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Rusty
How else do you roleplay….?
Cri The Cryptid 7/5/2023 12:30 PM
Beleive me there are ways
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Also both my tulpas were formed through roleplay. Do not recommend
12:31 PM
Easy cheat code for the first stages, will probably fuck you over in the long run
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Cri The Cryptid 7/5/2023 12:31 PM
They arent "forming" them through roleplay
12:31 PM
they said that their tulpa showed interest in it
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If you don’t want to roleplay with another separate person I guess you’d just both make your own characters and write your posts in a private server as if you are two separate people
12:32 PM
Although I don’t get the appeal at all
12:33 PM
Roleplays are best with other separate people involved
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Cri The Cryptid 7/5/2023 12:33 PM
You dont have too, they are the one who asked for advice
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Rusty
Roleplays are best with other separate people involved
I don't have separate people
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Cri The Cryptid 7/5/2023 12:34 PM
...
12:34 PM
now you do ^^
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Is it possible to role play online?
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Cri The Cryptid 7/5/2023 12:34 PM
ummm
12:34 PM
yea
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Didn't know that
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Cri The Cryptid 7/5/2023 12:35 PM
On discord, games like D&D, skyrim, valheim even
12:35 PM
in a tulpa scenario those wont all apply
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Wait. What exactly is role-playing?
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What do you think roleplaying is?
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You act as a character or something?
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Skyler 🐉 BOT 7/5/2023 12:37 PM
roleplay games are a thing
12:37 PM
some have a character customization where you can make an avatar of the character, for example
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I'm still not quite getting it
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Cri The Cryptid 7/5/2023 12:38 PM
hmmm
12:39 PM
I would try and show you here but i feel like id be metaphoriccaly arrested😅
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This is what a roleplay would typically look like for me
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You can also roleplay on games and such, but I always preferred text
12:41 PM
Basically you and another person are writing a book, each of you only has control over your own character
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Which is why I said before that I don’t see the point or appeal of doing it without a separate person. Without them you aren’t really roleplaying, you are just sitting alone writing a book.
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I see
12:42 PM
Now I got it
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Cri The Cryptid 7/5/2023 12:42 PM
^^
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Thank you all!!!
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Cri The Cryptid 7/5/2023 12:42 PM
Yw
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you are just sitting alone writing a book
Basically, unless your goal is to write a book, I can't imagine any reason you'd want to "roleplay" (in text) with your tulpa instead of wonderland/visualize
12:44 PM
Plenty of people visualize random scenarios with their tulpa, in different roles than normal just for fun
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Sorry, not to be ableist against people with aphantasia :P
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Skyler 🐉 BOT 7/5/2023 12:44 PM
that can also be considered roleplay though
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Exactly, if you want to roleplay with your tulpa it’s probably much easier to just do wonderlanding.
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Reisen
Plenty of people visualize random scenarios with their tulpa, in different roles than normal just for fun
I'm not good with visualisation
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Skyler 🐉 BOT 7/5/2023 12:44 PM
people play a role
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Poor visualization, however, is not aphantasia
12:45 PM
Visualization can be improved with consistent practice, and should be if you're interested in doing stuff with your tulpa in-mind
12:46 PM
Visualization practice can be literally anything, whether it's literally interacting with your tulpa, or just visualizing random stories/scenarios, or dedicated practice like trying to imagine visuals to audio (/ a video with your eyes closed)
12:46 PM
They all help the same goal
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Reisen
Visualization can be improved with consistent practice, and should be if you're interested in doing stuff with your tulpa in-mind
At some point I was good at it After not doing active forcing for some time because of short time My visualisation skill decreased Now I need the help of my tulpa for maintaining an image of her
12:49 PM
She almost pitties me at it now :I
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Zehel X403
Are you saying to role play with someone?
KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 7/5/2023 12:52 PM
you don’t need to roleplay with anyone beside your tulpa and you definitey don’t need to do it on nsfw places as it was suggested (edited)
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what you do is basically playing a scenario in your head, or if it’s too hard on a discord server where your tulpa speaks via a bot
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it’s like writing a story together but each person write parts that relate to them
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if you could do it in your head it’s easier because you just act it out
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Thanks!!
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 7/5/2023 12:56 PM
np
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk
you don’t need to roleplay with anyone beside your tulpa and you definitey don’t need to do it on nsfw places as it was suggested (edited)
Cri The Cryptid 7/5/2023 12:56 PM
are you implying something here?
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 7/5/2023 1:34 PM
did i say something not clear there?
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Cri The Cryptid 7/5/2023 1:44 PM
im just curious to what was meant there?
1:44 PM
you seemed to suggest someone actually said that option...?
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 7/5/2023 2:01 PM
do you think i implied you or something? (edited)
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Cri The Cryptid 7/5/2023 2:21 PM
it certainly seemed that way tbh
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Dunno why though
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 7/5/2023 2:30 PM
why would it seem to be about you
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Cri The Cryptid 7/5/2023 2:43 PM
nvd im tired i need sleep TvT
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Owen ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 7/6/2023 2:11 AM
Is it possible to remove a headmate's specific personality traits, and change them more directly?
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Luminesce: Probably harder with well-developed headmates who've been around/established in the brain for a long time (edited)
8:30 AM
But if you and them both want to change something about them, it's not impossible
8:31 AM
Not done often and we haven't done anything of the sort since 2013, so I can't give a very detailed answer (edited)
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A long kiss goodnight 7/6/2023 9:56 AM
I think I recall doing some personality forcing work with Bune (Ian) pre-integration, which is relatively recently (~a yearish). I remember Bune saying what traits he wanted to try and what he wanted to reject. I think it had mixed results iirc, but I don't think it was a super serious attempt? I would have to look back at the logs. Ironically it might be easier to let go of an undesirable trait if they're an older tulpa. It's sort of like looking back on your old posts and realizing how cringe they are- you recognize the behavior or traits you don't like and reject them. However, if you don't have much confidence in claiming other qualities as "you", it may be ineffective. Personality forcing is an expectation based approach that works because it helps you associate what behaviors/traits are considered "you" and what is not, and the timing matters. A super fresh young tulpa sometimes has no associations or expectations, but an underdeveloped tulpa may be more insecure and reject anything that threatens their weak sense of self. I think it's worth noting several of my headmates made big deviations once they had a broader sense of self to work with. Ultimately, I think it can work, but it may not be super effective if the headmate finds change threatening to their sense of self. I think given the circumstances, I wouldn't be surprised if that's why Bune (Ian) didn't continue this approach- he was not ready to embrace a big change despite ironically looking for one. Looks at logs ah, it looks like Bune (Ian) decided to integrate instead of going with the personality forcing route. I do remember sitting down with him at one point though, and he did report a weak sense of self (edited)
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Owen ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗
Is it possible to remove a headmate's specific personality traits, and change them more directly?
KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 7/6/2023 10:08 AM
that’s caled “personal growth”
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